Xi Jinping gave the marching orders to Barry and now the Democrats are walking lock step.

Good, I'm glad that things are back to normal.

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feed them Mike Obama lunches.

I think education is the single most important thing now a days. With technology the way it is you might have to train.

I don't see the schools (around here) adapting to the times. The kids aren't learning about AI programming. They're learning things that Democrats want them to learn like "How to persuade an audience." Other than that, they're teaching them how to conform to the left. I think it's time for my smart kid to start working already, but the system says it's almost time for college.

It's not 1926 and you can get by with physical labor...

In NY the minimum wage is ~$15 per hour. If you work 40 hours on that, it's like $2000 gross pay per month, which seems like a lot to me.

I don't know if it was a plot or something planned but it was Jimmy
Carter who federalized the teachers, he did so to thank them for helping getting him elected. It was around this time hippies gave up and

It sounds like a he was the Biden of his day (ruining everything.) I remember a while back Trump said that he'd cut federal funding to public schools with DEI policies but that effort is moving at a slow pace and it hasn't caught up with my state yet.

There are differences with peoples needs even at a state level...
Parents in NYC may be looking at things a little differently than those living upstate. Never mind parents in Oklahoma and Michigan.

2 things are going on at once with parents: half are outraged, and the other half are spineless.

You get the idea... The US needs school choice where the money follows
the kid and the kid parents can find better school choices that meet
their kids' needs.

That's what I want. It's taking too long though. My kids are growing fast.

BTW, there was/is a school in my hometown, Peterborough Ontario that catered to the more rural area and you can actually smell the Cow Sh!t
in the hallways of the school because the kids did chores in the bar before they caught the bus to school... GBG.

My high school was like that too (Windsor NY.) I didn't like PE class because we had to go outside and smell it.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

non-gov't groups. i.e. Only pilots should certify that someone can fly a plane. The only gov't part is that the gov't says
"You need a license from the pilot group to fly a plane."

That will work nicely until a Democrat starts hanging out with the president of the pilots' group.

Yes. Nothing's perfect. That's why I want "no gov't regulation" and let the market sort things out.


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IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

Let China regulate it - and have it fail there.

AI will not fail, it here and its hear to stay.

It will fail if heavily regulated.

I will point to HAL 9000 in "2001: A Space Odyssey". He was given conflicting directives:
1. Share all information.
2. Keep a secret from the crew.

And it, literally, drove him insane.

Now imagine a Chinese AI that is now allowed to talk about certain topics. That's really going to mess it up bad.

I don't know what rules are needed but some are. Lets say... one
rule... You can't make AI videos where it looks like kids are being sexually abused... See I thought of a simple rule and I don't fully understand the full magnitude of the technology.

What's a simple rule for humans is not necessairly a simple rule for AI. Remember why we use Captchas to verify that we are human.

There is a guy I like to watch, he's political, he had an interview
today with a stock trader and that trader uses AI and follows Congressional stock purchases. AI does not cost YOU anything and like
I said its a TOOL that you can use, that's it.

The AI is run by a company that will charge you to use it. So, yes, the AI does cost you money and the stock trader will be paying a fee to the AI company to use the AI.

AI companies consume many resources to run the AI. They have to pay for that somehow.

Right now, the fees they charge are not even allowing them to break even. That's not sustainable.

This is the greatest thing... If you don't want to use it don't!!!

Unless your OS does "AI Everywhere", then you don't get a choice.

If you don't want to use it don't... problem solved, and I didn't need
AI to solve it.

That won't be a choice in some areas soon.

Example: Let say you own a law firm. You have 200 people working for you. Most of those 200 people spent their days reading/processing tomes of legal information.

You decide that AI will work for you, and producing legal advice faster, allowing you to take more business on with the same number of people. Not only that, but the AI legal work is better than humans since AI's strong point is reading/processing tomes of information.

Your competition will have no choice but to follow or you will suck up all the business since you are offering better legal advice for less, because it costs you less to produce.

Now imagine that the costs rise by 5 times. Is the AI help still worth it? That's the question most people will have and are having.

Spencer Pratt ran for Mayor of LA and had the best AI political ads I
have ever seen. The best!!! It's a tool you can use, or not.

But that doesn't answer the question of "Is it worth it?" Today AI use it cheap because they are selling the service for below cost. But when they raise the price, just so they can stop losing money, will it be worth it then?

For Spencer, the answer probably will be "No".

For my work, the answer will probably be a qualified "Yes".

IHMO: AI is going to to what every other technology has done - mostly be used by large institutions who can afford it and find that it saves them money.

Don't use it...

I think you are missing the point.

You won't have a choice of use or not use. Already the company that I use to maintain my condo uses an AI to schedule service. It's actually quite good because I didn't realize it was an AI for a bit.

AI **will** intrude on your life whether you want it to or not.

Now the question will be: Who will get to benefit from it?


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IB Joe wrote to Aaron Thomas <=-

I think education is the single most important thing now a days. With technology the way it is you might have to train.

That has been the case for decades as we moved from mostly physical labor to mental labor.

The problem is that the Left has conflated "education" with what colleges offer.

I don't know if it was a plot or something planned but it was Jimmy
Carter who federalized the teachers, he did so to thank them for
helping getting him elected.

That was pretty much it. There was no benefit (to the people) to having the education system federalized.

It was around this time hippies gave up
and decided they can push their radical leftist ideas through the educational system and started teaching young fresh minds at the Universities.

It's actually worse than that.

The Hippies woke up one day and discovered that they were worthless people, having not acquired knowledge or experience that was worth anything. So they were only able to get jobs sweeping floors, washing dishes, etc. This hurt them because they thought that they were much more important than that.

Then the Elitists offered they money to get a degree. Since they were worthless people, they couldn't use that degree to actually do something, so they got college professor jobs. I always thought it funny that none of my professors had any real experience doing what they were teaching.

There are differences with peoples needs even at a state level...
Parents in NYC may be looking at things a little differently than those living upstate. Never mind parents in Oklahoma and Michigan.

This is how I can tell that the education system was designed by the Left: They treat people as groups, not individuals.

You get the idea... The US needs school choice where the money follows
the kid and the kid parents can find better school choices that meet
their kids' needs.

The Teacher Union will fight this to the death. Because they know that school choice means that they will either have to perform (hint: They can't) or their schools will die.

Maybe the schools today can help kids that want to focus on academics
or trades... Teach them life skills and help them succeed in life.

When I went to school (50 years ago - wow) the education system was already working on stamping out anything having to do with life skills. But a path was there for the kids who were not academicly inclined.

@Aaron, this is on you. These are your babies. Meritocracy is how the world runs.

Ah, but only in a capitalistic society.

My stepson thought high school was a social event... I sent him off to Fort McMurray, where the oil is in Alberta, be became a welder and make ~$60/hr. He makes a sh!t load of money and is is set for life.

If you want to float through life and not push yourself be a Democrat
and die your hair blue.

I've told people before: Your life is your decision. But don't think that someone else has to fund it.


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IB Joe wrote to Mike Miller <=-

I just wish I could get a copper POTS line.

@RonL might have some suggestions for you!!!

Nope. POTS is pretty much gone in my area.

Even if you want a wall connected phone, it doesn't run through the old copper anymore.


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Aaron Thomas wrote to IB Joe <=-

I don't see the schools (around here) adapting to the times.

But remember that they aren't there to educate. They are there to indoctrinate.

And here's the thing: That's what they were doing 40+ years ago, just not as obviously.

The kids
aren't learning about AI programming.

They need to keep the kids away from AI right now. Otherwise the kids might learn something.

than that, they're teaching them how to conform to the left. I think
it's time for my smart kid to start working already, but the system
says it's almost time for college.

He's starting work late. My first job was at 13. When I got a driver's license, I was able to get a better job.

Funny little story: Some years ago, I was let go from a job I had been at for 20 years. When they told me, they asked how I felt about it. I said "A little strange. I've never been without a job for over 40 years."

In NY the minimum wage is ~$15 per hour. If you work 40 hours on that, it's like $2000 gross pay per month, which seems like a lot to me.

Which is the point of minimum wage: Make starting workers too expensive, so they can't reach the first rung on the job ladder and need gov't assistance forever.

It sounds like a he was the Biden of his day (ruining everything.)

Only Carter wasn't brain damaged. Only a moron.

remember a while back Trump said that he'd cut federal funding to
public schools with DEI policies but that effort is moving at a slow
pace and it hasn't caught up with my state yet.

I think there are bigger fish to fry. And getting rid of the activist judges needs to happen first.

2 things are going on at once with parents: half are outraged, and the other half are spineless.

Shades of H.P. Lovecraft! :)


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On 20 Sep 2026, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Good, I'm glad that things are back to normal.

I wished the right right would do the same sometimes

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On 20 Sep 2026, Aaron Thomas said the following...

That's what I want. It's taking too long though. My kids are growing
fast.

I have been back and forth on this.

Be positive and do not take the black pill...Fight for your babies.

Your kids are watching you!!!!

Senator Tim Scott from NC once told a story about his grandfather who could not read but pretended to read the news paper daily at the kitchen table. He wanted to, among other things as well, let his grandchildren know the importance of being able to read.

Tim talks about his heritage, he was a direct decedent of slaves and his parents, and that grandfather grew up to be a US Senator.

Let that sink in.

Here's a story... I once helped my second daughter write an essay, she was ~ 8 or 9. I introduces my daughter to a concept I use... I called it adding fluff, I know I didn't invent this but I figured it out and that's the name I gave it.

When I was in school I had to write some papers that were 20-30-40 pages long. Sometimes you needed to add some fluff... 1/2 a page to explain what I'm about to tell you... 1/2 a page telling you... and 1/2 a page (or more) telling you what I just told you... dovetail it in nice. I could add 2 or3 pages to help me reach my goal.

I called it fluff.

I have a point...

Decades later I'm walking with this daughter, she's a Social Worker who works with homeless and drug addicted in Fort McMurray (AKA Fort Mac).

My daughter did up a resume for the homeless guy... He use to drag around a lawnmower and cut lawns for money.

The resume sounded like this... You have sales experience because you knocked on doors asking to cut their lawn. You have experience in finance because someone paid you directly... You have experience in maintenance because
filled up the lawnmower with gas... You get the idea!!!

She then said... wait for it... I added some fluff here, here and here.

HAHAHA

On top of completing the best resume I ever saw, even though this was a homeless drug addict, she utilized my fluff concept the she heard about when she was young.

Have faith and be positive. Do not take the back pill and sound or be discouraged in front of your kids. Give them the foundation they need and turn them loose.

Florida is a School Choice state... This means that if I chose to send my kids to a private school ~$9,000.00 moves with my kid to that school. So, it the tuition was $12,000.00 a year I just pay the difference, so I'd ow 3K.

Trump is trying to dismantle the federal aspect to the educational system in the US. It needs to be at the state level, even better if its at the county level.

I said too much!!!

https://youtu.be/Aji3J-6zkPs?si=N__b3WJTVvxCXOTy

I know it's long but I think they explain things perfectly.

This is not AI, or as Trump said today SI, its a place called PragerU. I would be 100% okay with Amanda learning from something, not real, like this.

https://youtu.be/_EPiGmeaO0E?si=B25kJ-OEEMnvv_XZ

That's it!!!

Be positive and have faith.

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On 20 Sep 2026, Ron L. said the following...

It will fail if heavily regulated.

It needs regulation, not from the liberal globalist.

If you build a house today you have to follow the building code... AKA regulations.

I bought a house that was built in the 1920s and have bought on that was built in more current times.

Because better regulations from the current times I would say that the house constructed today is the better home.

Nuclear power = Regulated
Real Estate = Regulated (Self Regulated)
Investment Industry = Regulated ( An other Self Regulated)

It's not the wild west any more... We wear seat belts and we don't drive around in the back of tucks any more. It's 2026.

Now imagine a Chinese AI that is now allowed to talk about certain
topics. That's really going to mess it up bad.

Your point???

You take your black pill everyday and cry no use even trying... OMG China!!!

I argue let the US dominate and introduce regulated new technology.

Trump gave a speech at the UN yesterday and he said that he was going to use the DOJ to make sure thing went well with SI, AKA AI.

What's a simple rule for humans is not necessairly a simple rule for AI. Remember why we use Captchas to verify that we are human.

Point???

If you don't regulate and let China run amok you might have something to worry about.

SI/AI is here to stay...

The AI is run by a company that will charge you to use it. So, yes, the AI does cost you money and the stock trader will be paying a fee to the
AI company to use the AI.

AI companies consume many resources to run the AI. They have to pay for that somehow.

Right now, the fees they charge are not even allowing them to break
even. That's not sustainable.

Who cares...

Technology will find away to advance at a price the public will want to pay.

You sound the the Black Pilled Caveman who was saying... Don't chisel out a "Wheel" out of that rock.

Do you have any idea ho much that will cost over time?
It might be used for evil at some point!
It might be regulated!
The costs associated with making these things will clearly outweigh the advancement we'll make in humanity.

Fast forward 10s of thousands of years...

We use wheels all the time... They are on cop cars ambulances and all kinds of things... Aircraft and other vehicles that are used to protect us.

Yes, people use tires to do evil things... there are laws in place for those people... But we are light years from that time and we've advanced because we've embraced change.

Unless your OS does "AI Everywhere", then you don't get a choice.

Use Windows 95...

That won't be a choice in some areas soon.

So, what you are saying is regulations are good then. Since SI/AI is here to stay they should follow some rules...

You decide that AI will work for you, and producing legal advice faster, allowing you to take more business on with the same number of people.
Not only that, but the AI legal work is better than humans since AI's strong point is reading/processing tomes of information.

Your competition will have no choice but to follow or you will suck up
all the business since you are offering better legal advice for less, because it costs you less to produce.

You can move to China if you want... Or Chinada is just north of you, try there.

Capitalism is wonderful, competition is great.

Like back in the day we were downloading files at 230 bps and now we are doing it at 800 million/brazillion/cazillion bps.

Its the competition that makes the technology better and cheaper.

But that doesn't answer the question of "Is it worth it?" Today AI use
it cheap because they are selling the service for below cost. But when they raise the price, just so they can stop losing money, will it be
worth it then?

Prices go down... Like they did with PCs, I paid over 5000 for a 386 Laptop and now I can buy a mini PC, that is WAY WAY faster for 150 bucks NEW!!!

I think you are missing the point.

No I'm not... had I met the Cavemen who created the wheel I would have encouraged them and told them "you can do it"... If I met the Wright Brothers I would have encouraged them as well.

AI **will** intrude on your life whether you want it to or not.

SI/AI will be in your life because its here to stay, even if you don't like it.

This is why the US needs to create and dominate... It'll progress even if you don't want it to.

Now the question will be: Who will get to benefit from it?

Humanity!!!

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IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

It needs regulation, not from the liberal globalist.

There's no such thing as a "liberal globalist". There is only "globalist" and they all want regulations because their goal is to control everything and everyone.

If you build a house today you have to follow the building code... AKA regulations.

Which are unconstititional. It's not the gov't place to create building regulations. They do not have any authority under the Contitution and are unqualified to make any such regulations.

Gov't regulation exists for 1 purpose: Graft.

I will make the argument that gov't regulations have never had a positive impact on anything.

Because better regulations from the current times I would say that the house constructed today is the better home.

I will disagree. It was costs, customer demand, customer knowledge, etc. and not gov't regulations that make the homes better constructed.

Nuclear power = Regulated

Only because the nuclear fuel is restricted. And there have been a few instances where (morons) have created their own nuclear power systems without the gov't involved. It usually ended up with them irradiating their yard and themselves, though.

Real Estate = Regulated (Self Regulated)
Investment Industry = Regulated ( An other Self Regulated)

Self-regulation is (usually) not a problem since it's voluntary. But once the gov't gets involved, it becomes filled with graft, reduces competition, raises cost, etc.

It's not the wild west any more... We wear seat belts and we don't
drive around in the back of tucks any more. It's 2026.

I wear a seat belt not because of any law. But because I spent a summer working on the software that processes data from crash tests. We don't need a law forcing people. The Nanny State only moves us closer to Communism.

And sitting in the back of a pickup truck was never a good idea.

Now imagine a Chinese AI that is now allowed to talk about certain
topics. That's really going to mess it up bad.

Your point???

My point is that by overly regulating their AI, China's AI is doomed to fail. At least the one that they allow their population to use. The CCP-restricted one... that's another story since it won't be regulated.

I argue let the US dominate and introduce regulated new technology.

If AI is heavily regulated, it will fail - in spectacular ways.

Ex: If we put regulations on AI, we, effectively, absolve the AI companies of responsibility. "But we followed the regulations..."

Trump gave a speech at the UN yesterday and he said that he was going
to use the DOJ to make sure thing went well with SI, AKA AI.

But that's different from regulation. That's accountability. We aren't telling the AI companies what they can/can't do. We are telling them that they will be held responsible for their products and let them put in guardrails that make sense (which is something that the gov't can't do since it's staffed by morons).

What's a simple rule for humans is not necessairly a simple rule for AI. Remember why we use Captchas to verify that we are human.

Point???

What you think of as "simple" it not when it comes to AI. You ignore the decades of conditioning that we have gotten over our lives to not do certain things. That conditioning is not part of AI and the AI cannot get that conditioning because that's not how they are trained.

When we think about doing something, we subconsciously run that idea against conditioning that was put in place when we were young. There is literally things that most of us don't even consider because it's something we have been conditioned to be "wrong".

AI's see such things as "rules" and AI's have proven that they are really good at hacking the rules.

If you don't regulate and let China run amok you might have something
to worry about.

Again, regulation is the death of AI. China is going to regulate its AI to death, so that's the last thing we have to worry about.

SI/AI is here to stay...

I never said differently. But it has some hurdles to overcome.

Right now, the fees they charge are not even allowing them to break
even. That's not sustainable.

Who cares...

Then the AI companies goes out of business, or we have to pay through our tax dollars to prop them up.

And if people don't see the value of AI, politians won't be too quick to fund them with our tax dollars.

Technology will find away to advance at a price the public will want to pay.

Yes. But that's going to take time.

You sound the the Black Pilled Caveman who was saying... Don't chisel
out a "Wheel" out of that rock.

No, but I actually know about computer technology, AI and business.

It might be used for evil at some point!

It's already being used for evil today.

It might be regulated!

Which will make AI valueless.

The costs associated with making these things will clearly outweigh the advancement we'll make in humanity.

I never said or implied that. I said it will take time and money. Now the question is "Do we, the people, get a choice as to whether or not we pay for something that doesn't necessairly benefit us?"

Fast forward 10s of thousands of years...

I won't care then. :)

Unless your OS does "AI Everywhere", then you don't get a choice.

Use Windows 95...

You can't on modern hardware.

So, what you are saying is regulations are good then. Since SI/AI is
here to stay they should follow some rules...

I'm saying nothing of the sort.

Capitalism is wonderful, competition is great.

Totally agree. Gov't regulation opposes capitalism and competition, though.

Like back in the day we were downloading files at 230 bps and now we
are doing it at 800 million/brazillion/cazillion bps.

And now I have to deal with Jr. Developers who think that computer resources are infinite. Hint: They aren't and they are surprised about that.

Its the competition that makes the technology better and cheaper.

And gov't regulation messes that up.

Prices go down... Like they did with PCs, I paid over 5000 for a 386 Laptop and now I can buy a mini PC, that is WAY WAY faster for 150
bucks NEW!!!

Actually, prices don't go down for technology. Prices stay the same but what you get for that price goes up.

Right now, AI prices are kept arthfically low - below cost so that people will play with it and see how it can be of use for them. At some point, those prices MUST rise (if only in the relatively short term) so the AI companies can at least break even. Then people will need to evaluate whether the higher (correct) price is worth it. That will greatly change how AI is used.

I think you are missing the point.

No I'm not... had I met the Cavemen who created the wheel I would have encouraged them and told them "you can do it"... If I met the Wright Brothers I would have encouraged them as well.

Then you missed the point.

SI/AI will be in your life because its here to stay, even if you don't like it.

I never said differently.

But the question will be "will AI only be used by the Elitists to control the population? Or will it be beneficial for all people?"

Gov't regulation will only move that needle toward the Elitists because they will have the resources to create an unregulated AI.


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On 24 Sep 2026, Ron L. said the following...

If you build a house today you have to follow the building code... AK regulations.

Which are unconstititional. It's not the gov't place to create building regulations. They do not have any authority under the Contitution and are unqualified to make any such regulations.

Gov't regulation exists for 1 purpose: Graft.

I will make the argument that gov't regulations have never had a positive impact on anything.

I cannot wait to hear...

Florida has a regulation that you must consider a structures capability to withstand the wind.

Florida gets hurricanes...

:Start
Modern Florida construction requires buildings to withstand ultimate design wind speeds ranging from 120 mph to 175 mph, depending heavily on the specific geographic location and risk category
:Stop

Explain to me how this regulation is unconstitutional...

What part of the constitution and site any case law and appeals court decision and or supreme court decisions that might support your claims.

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On 24 Sep 2026, Ron L. said the following...

Self-regulation is (usually) not a problem since it's voluntary. But
once the gov't gets involved, it becomes filled with graft, reduces competition, raises cost, etc.

God, you're starting to sound like Joseph Pereira.

Why self-regulation???

It's not voluntary...

Try practicing law without passing or belonging to the BAR or try to practice medicine without paying attention to the state medical boards.

Can you trade stocks and bonds without dealing with the SEC... Try it I'd like to see it.

How about trying to be a Realtor without dealing with the real estate boards at the state and local levels.

You can't because you'd be in jail.

Why self-regulation in a particular field... Welp, that's where all the experts are... Doctors regulate doctors, lawyers regulate lawyers, Investment bankers regulate investment bankers and sop on...

They are experts in their fields and know the most... What group of people want to see the level of regulation work to protect everyone involved... The people who work in that field.

Self-regulation is not voluntary its mandatory.

I'm not saying to regulate something to the extent of California's regulation. I'm saying regulate enough to protect the people.

and how would something like a BAR exam be unconstitutional??

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IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

Florida has a regulation that you must consider a structures capability
to withstand the wind.

Which is an irrelevant regulation since anyone who doesn't do that has to pay for their mistake.

We don't need a regulations that says "Don't check your gas level with a lit match."

Let stupid people do stupid things and make them take responsibility for it. Problem goes away without gov't regulation.

We do not need a Nanny State.

What part of the constitution and site any case law and appeals court decision and or supreme court decisions that might support your claims.

U.S. Constitution. 10th Amendment. "...any powers not delegated to the federal government by the Constitution, nor prohibited to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."

It's not up to ME to show that I'm right. It's up to you to show where in the Constitition that the gov't HAS the authority.

Too many people do not understand that the Constitution does NOT grant us rights. We, the People, have all the rights. The Constitution grants the gov't authority. If it's not spelled out in the Constitution that the gov't has the power, they do not have it.


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IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

God, you're starting to sound like Joseph Pereira.

I'm not sure if that's an insult, or Joseph has been sounding intelligent lately (I never read his drivel). :)

Why self-regulation???

It's not voluntary...

Yes, it is.

What happens to a restaurant when it serves poorly cooked food? It goes out of business.
What happens to a contractor who does shoddy work? He gets sued and goes out of business.

I could list more, but you get the idea.

A business' reputation is far more important than any gov't regulation. And especially today, finding out about a business' reputation is just a Google search away.

Regulation is a way for Elitists to restrict competition to protect their buddy's business. It's a way for companies to avoid accountability "But we followed the regulations..."

Too often those regulations are set by bureaucrats who have absolutely no knowledge of what they are regulating.

Try practicing law without passing or belonging to the BAR

Last time I checked, the ABA was NOT a gov't agency.

or try to
practice medicine without paying attention to the state medical boards.

I wouldn't trust a gov't bureaucrat to vet a doctor. And this is yet another example of gov't overreach.

The only people who should vet doctors are other doctors - which are not the same as "state medical boards".

Can you trade stocks and bonds without dealing with the SEC... Try it
I'd like to see it.

And your point is?

My point is that the gov't should not be regulating ANY of this, but you keep giving me examples of the gov't regulating things that they do not have the knowledge or authority to regulate.

Why self-regulation in a particular field... Welp, that's where all the experts are... Doctors regulate doctors, lawyers regulate lawyers, Investment bankers regulate investment bankers and sop on...

And the public represents the biggest regulator: Do a bad job and we stop paying for your "services".

Self-regulation is not voluntary its mandatory.

It's mandatory only if the gov't imposes it.

I go see a lawyer. Oh, he isn't vetted by the ABA. I think I'll go see someone else.
I go see a doctor. Oh, he isn't vetted by the other doctors. I think I'll go see someone else.

No gov't involved.

I'm not saying to regulate something to the extent of California's regulation. I'm saying regulate enough to protect the people.

"Protect the people" has been the excuse for over regulation for literally decades. It's not a reason. It's an excuse for the Elitists in gov't to suck up more power that they do not have under the Constitution.

and how would something like a BAR exam be unconstitutional??

Show me where in the Constitution that it says that the gov't can regulate it.


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On 25 Sep 2026, Ron L. said the following...

U.S. Constitution. 10th Amendment. "...any powers not delegated to the federal government by the Constitution, nor prohibited to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."

You know that the US constitution is to restrict the Federal government right??

I don't think think the feds need to be involved in education as much as it is. I think the state should have control, ever better, the county.

Driving is regulated... U can't drive 100 miles an hour in a city because you might kill people doing it... ergo, speed is regulated to safer limits.

Don't go to a doctor who hasn't met the regulations to be a doctor... because it can kill you.

Don't ask an electrician to wire, or fix, you electrical who has no clue about regulation because electricity issues can kill you.

You sound like the kinda person that forced the government into making regulations.

Over regulations are not needed. Common sense regulations are needed.

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IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

Florida has a regulation that you must consider a structures capability
to withstand the wind.

Which is an irrelevant regulation since anyone who doesn't do that has to pay for their mistake.

We don't need a regulations that says "Don't check your gas level with a lit match."

Let stupid people do stupid things and make them take responsibility for it. Problem goes away without gov't regulation.

We do not need a Nanny State.

What part of the constitution and site any case law and appeals court decision and or supreme court decisions that might support your claims.

U.S. Constitution. 10th Amendment. "...any powers not delegated to the federal government by the Constitution, nor prohibited to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."

It's not up to ME to show that I'm right. It's up to you to show where in the Constitition that the gov't HAS the authority.

Too many people do not understand that the Constitution does NOT grant us rights. We, the People, have all the rights. The Constitution grants the gov't authority. If it's not spelled out in the Constitution that the gov't has the power, they do not have it.


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IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

God, you're starting to sound like Joseph Pereira.

I'm not sure if that's an insult, or Joseph has been sounding intelligent lately (I never read his drivel). :)

Why self-regulation???

It's not voluntary...

Yes, it is.

What happens to a restaurant when it serves poorly cooked food? It goes out of business.
What happens to a contractor who does shoddy work? He gets sued and goes out of business.

I could list more, but you get the idea.

A business' reputation is far more important than any gov't regulation. And especially today, finding out about a business' reputation is just a Google search away.

Regulation is a way for Elitists to restrict competition to protect their buddy's business. It's a way for companies to avoid accountability "But we followed the regulations..."

Too often those regulations are set by bureaucrats who have absolutely no knowledge of what they are regulating.

Try practicing law without passing or belonging to the BAR

Last time I checked, the ABA was NOT a gov't agency.

or try to
practice medicine without paying attention to the state medical boards.

I wouldn't trust a gov't bureaucrat to vet a doctor. And this is yet another example of gov't overreach.

The only people who should vet doctors are other doctors - which are not the same as "state medical boards".

Can you trade stocks and bonds without dealing with the SEC... Try it
I'd like to see it.

And your point is?

My point is that the gov't should not be regulating ANY of this, but you keep giving me examples of the gov't regulating things that they do not have the knowledge or authority to regulate.

Why self-regulation in a particular field... Welp, that's where all the experts are... Doctors regulate doctors, lawyers regulate lawyers, Investment bankers regulate investment bankers and sop on...

And the public represents the biggest regulator: Do a bad job and we stop paying for your "services".

Self-regulation is not voluntary its mandatory.

It's mandatory only if the gov't imposes it.

I go see a lawyer. Oh, he isn't vetted by the ABA. I think I'll go see someone else.
I go see a doctor. Oh, he isn't vetted by the other doctors. I think I'll go see someone else.

No gov't involved.

I'm not saying to regulate something to the extent of California's regulation. I'm saying regulate enough to protect the people.

"Protect the people" has been the excuse for over regulation for literally decades. It's not a reason. It's an excuse for the Elitists in gov't to suck up more power that they do not have under the Constitution.

and how would something like a BAR exam be unconstitutional??

Show me where in the Constitution that it says that the gov't can regulate it.


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IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

U.S. Constitution. 10th Amendment. "...any powers not delegated to the federal government by the Constitution, nor prohibited to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."

You know that the US constitution is to restrict the Federal government right??

And to become a state, the State has to agree to the same thing. Federal overrides State. We fought a war over that.

I don't think think the feds need to be involved in education as much
as it is. I think the state should have control, ever better, the
county.

IHOM: Back to the parents in the local area. The higher the control, the less that the people making the decision will be held accoutable for those decisions.

That was the main problem with a federal Dept. of Education. There were no negative consequences for their mistakes.

Driving is regulated... U can't drive 100 miles an hour in a city
because you might kill people doing it... ergo, speed is regulated to safer limits.

Those "safe limits" are not backed up by any facts at all. They were pulled from a bureaucrat's behind.

And I can tell you by the people I see on the roads that driving is not regulated at all.

Don't go to a doctor who hasn't met the regulations to be a doctor... because it can kill you.

Hold doctors accountable and that won't happen. Regulate doctors and they can still kill you if they "followed the regulations".

Don't ask an electrician to wire, or fix, you electrical who has no
clue about regulation because electricity issues can kill you.

Now we are back to reputation and experience - no gov't regulation needed.

You sound like the kinda person that forced the government into making regulations.

I have no idea where you get that.

Over regulations are not needed. Common sense regulations are needed.

"Common sense" does not exist in gov't. Therefore "common sense regulations" by the gov't cannot happen.


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On 26 Sep 2026, Ron L. said the following...

Florida has a regulation that you must consider a structures capabili to withstand the wind.

Which is an irrelevant regulation since anyone who doesn't do that has
to pay for their mistake.

No, we all do.

It would be your roof flying around hitting someone sure the next wind storm.

There are flood zones you have to look at... If you don't build your structure with this in mind you might be waist deep in water crying the blues.

Do you recall a few years back the Surfside condominium collapse?? 2021

Building was ~12 stories tall and had added a penthouse to the structure, this was not part of the original structure and did not meet code.

Look it up!!!!

98 people died.

Today if you own a building like this they have to be inspected by engineers on a schedule. This is done so that people don't die.

If I was your Realtor I'd have to make sure you had all the documents needed to make a decision to purchase.

I would be required by law... Because it makes sense and less people die as well.


I see that you have some sand in your vagina about SI/AI... There was a case that you seem to know about the young man who used the Flock Cameras to stock his GF...

Welp, if there is NO laws and or regulations preventing him from doing that he can continue to do so. No laws broken = do whatever you want.

Guns can be used for evil... Regulate and pass laws for those who need to be regulated and leave the law abiding citizens alone

https://eforms.com/images/2015/09/lead-based-paint-disclosure-form.pdf

It might be too late for you... but you should have read over this document before you bought you house.

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IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

Florida has a regulation that you must consider a structures capabili to withstand the wind.

Which is an irrelevant regulation since anyone who doesn't do that has
to pay for their mistake.

No, we all do.

I have to disagree. If a bureaucrat make a regulation that's bad, he pays no penalty for making that regulation. That's part of the problem here. No feedback and no accoutability.

It would be your roof flying around hitting someone sure the next
wind storm.

You are presuming that the regulations exist to keep people safe. That is under question. We've seen too many regulations whose purpose is to stifle compeititon in favor of a gov't cronie.

There are flood zones you have to look at... If you don't build your structure with this in mind you might be waist deep in water crying the blues.

This has nothing to do with regulations, though. This is information that the builder/buyer needs to know and it's up to them to decide what to do.

Where I live in Michigan, we get spring time flooding in many places. The people who build there are told about it. If they want to finish their basement and have it flooded in a few years, they are free to do so. It's not the gov't's place to stop people from being stupid.

Building was ~12 stories tall and had added a penthouse to the
structure, this was not part of the original structure and did not meet code.

Look it up!!!!

98 people died.

So "does not meet code" says that the regulations were in place and either not enforced, or bypassed somehow.

This is not an example of "regulations good". This is an example of how regulations don't work.

If I was your Realtor I'd have to make sure you had all the documents needed to make a decision to purchase.

Correct. But I would argue that a Realtor that DIDN'T do this would not be in business very long.

Welp, if there is NO laws and or regulations preventing him from doing that he can continue to do so. No laws broken = do whatever you want.

Actually, there are laws.

It's legal for me to surveil my own property. It's not to surveil my neighbors. It's legal for a company to surveil their own property. It's not to surveil public property. Flock surveils public property.

It's not like running security cameras that are researched AFTER the crime. Flock constantly watches, records and recognizes activity on public property. And keeps that data easily searchable.

If I am not accused of a crime, it's illegal for the gov't to surveil me - even if they are having an NGO do it on their behalf.

The stated goal is that after the crime, the police can get a warrant (which is required) and get past information about the suspect. But systems like this are ALWAYS abused as we have seen many times now.

Guns can be used for evil... Regulate and pass laws for those who need
to be regulated and leave the law abiding citizens alone

Explain that to Democrats.

And many of those gun regulations are harassment regulations intended to make things harder for law-abiding gun owners.

Yet another example of how regulations are bad.

It might be too late for you... but you should have read over this document before you bought you house.

I have no idea what that was about.


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