Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=h5nkvOqh
yet, if you search for `--h5nkvOqh', you shall find naught,
Having investigated this issue, I conclude that it is
caused not by encoding settings in either Sylpheed or
Tin, but rather by the structure of TLDR's multipart
attachments, which has been broken since On 2026.02.02.
Okie dokie.. think what you want
Thunderbird:
https://pharcyde.org/tldr-tb.png
https://pharcyde.org/tldr-slrn-headers.png
https://pharcyde.org/tldr-slrn-message.png
Subject: SpaceX merger ?, OpenAI races Anthropic IPO ?,
AI replacing SaaS ??
There's nothing correct about the question marks in the
subject line above. That looks like if UTF-8 glyphs were
to be viewed in something setup for CP437. om which it
can't be translated.
Note "charset=utf-8" while you're using ascii and/or
cp437.
My newsreaders are therefore correct in displaying it as
an empty message.
Ok, lol.
They even display fine, when Synchronet itself is
configured correctly (ie. logged into the BBS). Is it
possible that the specific site where you are viewing them
from is messing up the original messages?
Or, just ignore the message area if it doesn't work for
you. Since you're using a newsreader, you can simply just
unsubscribe.
It works for me, and I vote to keep it as is. _
If you can't see the UTF-8 glyph I just included in the
line above, it's a "you" thing (or something messed it up
between me and you).
Tin can definitely support different quote prefixes,
including initials before the quote character. Tin even
mentions "fidonet-style quoting" in their documentation.
Have you read it yet?
It's a bug - thanks for the report!
Digital Man:
It's a bug - thanks for the report!
Bug where -- in Synchronix? I was indeed going to report it
in a local Synchrnonix area.
It's a bug - thanks for the report!
Okie dokie.. think what you want, but:
Thunderbird:
https://pharcyde.org/tldr-tb.png
Hey Digital!
On Sat, Sep 19 2026 15:36:16 -0700, Digital Man wrote to ant:
It's a bug - thanks for the report!
Why would it work on every NNTP client I've tested with, and not his?
I mean, there /are/ settings for mime and quoted printable messages in tin, so maybe I was able to change mine to make it work? I think by default tin wants to export the message and view it somewhere else. I changed that setting to use the internal viewer, which worked. *shrug*
longlinoitus -- the vicious practice of writing every
Thunderbird displays it as an HTML page. How did you receive it in Thunderbird -- as an e-mail, or an NNTP article? On my NNTP side, the entire raw message has not a vestige of HTML:
so I am at a loss what Thunderbird is showing. Can you post the same
entire raw message as seen on your NNTP side?
This is /most/ interesting, becase your slrn reports:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
whereas my Tin and Sylpheed report:
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=HcXDvzbz
Right. There is an encoding problem somewhere in the path. Let us ignore
it for now and focus on the message stucture, because our NNTP servers
seem to be perceiving the same message differently. Perhaps my server is somehow truncating the messages, amputating HTML parts, and magling the articles in the process. This is why I propose that we compare /the entire raw message/ between you and me. This will provide the ultimate source of truth, independent of the local encoding, mime, and other settings in our clients.
Yes, I have noted that. My message are encoded CP437 in Tin and US-ASCII
in Sylpheed. But the endoing of outoing messages does not interefere with the parsing of incoming ones. They are totallyl orthogonal.
Why do you cut my explanation and laugh?
If the problem I am having is caused by <nntp://nix.synchro.net>, rather than TLDR, then I agree.
Yes, and yes, and I have said so several times. The problem is that the quoting settings in Tin are /global/ and apply to all newsservers, whereas I need e-mail-style quotes on conventional Usenet servers and
FidoNet-style quotes on FidoNet and BBS bridges.
Is it the same way with slrn?
Https://i.imgur.com/gAlhZPK.png
It is not the definition of format=flowed, but a loose description of its purpose. It does not make the crucial distinction between format=flowed
and the primitive longlinoitus -- the vicious practice of writing every paragraph in a single line, no matter how long. format=flowed was invented exactly to allow wrapping text to arbitrary margins, while preserving the short lines and hard line breaks required of tranditional text files, and expected in traditional e-mail and Usenet clients, as explained in
RFC3676:
I think it's because nix.synchro.net is configured to *not* include MIME-encoded messages in their DOVE-Net QWK packets downloaded from VERT and your feed is not configured that way.
Https://i.imgur.com/gAlhZPK.png
Ah, I see. You may need to run two separate configurations/instances?
Or you could just use email-style quoting everywhere, if you don't
absolutely need initials before your quote characters.
You can still use email-style quoting in Fido style networks
longlinoitus -- the vicious practice of writing every
Is AI writing your message text?
Yes, and yes, and I have said so several times. The problem
is that the quoting settings in Tin are /global/ and apply
to all newsservers, whereas I need e-mail-style quotes on
conventional Usenet servers and FidoNet-style quotes on
FidoNet and BBS bridges.
Is it the same way with slrn?
It is not the definition of format=flowed, but a loose
description of its purpose. It does not make the
crucial distinction between format=flowed and the
primitive longlinoitus -- the vicious practice of
writing every paragraph in a single line, no matter how
long. format=flowed was invented exactly to allow
wrapping text to arbitrary margins, while preserving
the short lines and hard line breaks required of
tranditional text files, and expected in traditional
e-mail and Usenet clients, as explained in RFC3676:
Thank you for the class, but I prefer to utilize the
entire width of my terminal, rather than limit and/or
soft wrap anything. I will, however, keep quoting
conventional and within the 72-78 character limit.
I will, however, keep quoting conventional and within
the 72-78 character limit.
At least /some/ Fidonet echoes require traditional Fidonet quotes, which made me write my (G)roff macros for them.
I fear you misunderstood my lesson :-) format=flowed is made to let you
and your readers utilise the entire width of your and their screens,
while retaining compatibility with normal hard-wrapped text. Therefore,
you can be writing proper format=flowed, utilizing the entire width of
your screen while both composing and reading, and at the same time
keeping your messages compatible with traditional clients like mine. All
you have to do is use a client that supports format=flowed. You client
does not support it, or it has a bug, or is misconfigured. I can help
you with that.
Producing self-contractory posts that are neither proper format=flowed,
nor proper hardwrapped plaintext? Bad idea, but you may be forced to do
it because of your client...
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=IBM437; format=flowed
But still they are not in format=flowed, as lines to be
joined have no trailing space.
Yes, of course. Beg pardong for neglecting to quote the
date also. Here is what I have on the NNTP side:
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2026 15:03:14 -0600
X-Comment-To: finglonger
Path: nix.synchro.net!not-for-mail
Organization: End Of The Line BBS
Newsgroups: DOVE-Net.Tech_Talk
I've looked at every msg. to/from me on that date
into February and nothing comes up. I suspect I was
quoted at some point. In any case, no big.
Hey MRO!
On Sat, Sep 19 2026 20:40:52 -0500, MRO wrote to Accession:
Https://i.imgur.com/gAlhZPK.png
Yes, that's how it's supposed to look when html is removed and it's displayed > as plain text only.
Regards,
Accession
... Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.
MRO:
Https://i.imgur.com/gAlhZPK.png
Oooph: imgur is a bad image hosting. This is a deceptive URL, in
that it looks like a direct reference to a PNG image, but in
reality opens a web page, which can't be displayed correctly
without Java'sCreep. Java'sCreep is not required to show an
image in the first place, and they have never heard of graceful
degradation in the second place.
catbox.moe and litterbox.catbox.moe are better services for
I'll look into it.
This is a deceptive URL, in that it looks like aLooks fine to me.
direct reference to a PNG image, but in reality
opens a web page, which can't be displayed
correctly without Java'sCreep.
No i won't use the catshit site.
Your scatological vocabulary is not exactly conducive to
a constructive communication, either, because it conveys
negative emotions but no meaningful message on the
topic.
No i won't use the catshit site.
Why the bad language again, instead of logical
reasoning? catbox.moe was just an example of an image
hosting that provides direct links to uploaded images,
e.g.: <https://files.catbox.moe/bdf1ot.jpeg> .
Fuck you.
Fuck your cat up the ass.
MRO to ant:
Fuck you.
Fuck your cat up the ass.
Is there any moderation in this area,
to react to such persisent insults?
Any other image hosting providing direct links is
preferable to Imgur. Indeed I hope that other image
hostings exist that satisfy this requirement.
MRO to ant:
Fuck you.
Fuck your cat up the ass.
Is there any moderation in this area,
to react to such persisent insults?
to react to such persisent insults?
The best reaction is no reaction. The mistake you made was reading and replying to mro's insanity. Just ignore him.
ant:
Any other image hosting providing direct links is
preferable to Imgur. Indeed I hope that other image
hostings exist that satisfy this requirement.
Yeah, if you browse to a .jpg imgur link with a mobile
browser it still takes you to just the picture, but if
you go to it with a desktop browser it ends up loading
their whole page/site too.
On top of that, their api stuff no longer works so
uploading to them from various devices is slightly
more of a pain in the butt now. They have definitely
been getting worse and worse since they were Reddit's
official image site..
and probably because they're no longer that. I made an
LLM make me an "image hosting" page/script. I can
once again just "share" an image from my gallery in
either Android or IOS, upload the image to my site,
and get back a short URL to the file that I can
copy/share somewhere else.
Fuck you.
Fuck your cat up the ass.
Is there any moderation in this area,
to react to such persisent insults?
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